What needle gauge for thick lining?


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I currently use #10 RL long taper needles for lining but wanted your opinions on if #12 versions of the needles would be better for bold lines?
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Depends, for example a #1007 rl will give a similar thickness to a #1205 rl, a #1207 rl will give a thicker line than a #1007 rl
 

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Hi there. I am wanting to purchase “Flat Liners”, they seem to be very hard to find, I can’t find any.
Is a ”Magnum” the same, I have a few Magnums, the exit from the cartridge is very angular. Thank you
 

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Hi there. I am wanting to purchase “Flat Liners”, they seem to be very hard to find, I can’t find any.
Is a ”Magnum” the same, I have a few Magnums, the exit from the cartridge is very angular. Thank you
why are you looking for a "flat liner"? A magnum is for shading and color fill. The configuration of the needles makes it very easy to turn it into a blade if you run a line with it. It's done all the time, but you better know what you're doing first.
 

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Hi
I currently use #10 RL long taper needles for lining but wanted your opinions on if #12 versions of the needles would be better for bold lines?
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I don't think there would be a difference between the 10 and 12. If you want to boost the thickness, try at least a 14.
 

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#10 needles are thinner than #12 needles. Just like Andy said above, a 1007RL liner configuration will make a line similar to a 1205RL.
Yes thinner, but not by much. They want thick lines they should boost the grouping by at least 4, in my opinion
 

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Yes thinner, but not by much. They want thick lines they should boost the grouping by at least 4, in my opinion
you said there would be no difference.
In my opinion, most of the reputable needle companies don't even waste their time with 14g needles. Why? Because you would get the same size yet better results by using a larger grouping. You'd need a larger tube anyway, so why not just get the bigger set. Use a #1209 and call it a day. That way you're not hammering nails into your client and you'll get better saturation.

Also, it sounds like you may be confusing a grouping with the actual pin size of needles now that I reread that.
 

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you said there would be no difference.
In my opinion, most of the reputable needle companies don't even waste their time with 14g needles. Why? Because you would get the same size yet better results by using a larger grouping. You'd need a larger tube anyway, so why not just get the bigger set. Use a #1209 and call it a day. That way you're not hammering nails into your client and you'll get better saturation.

Also, it sounds like you may be confusing a grouping with the actual pin size of needles now that I reread that.
Yeah,weren't they asking about 10rl vs 12rl? I just said, in my humble, nooblike opinion, that if they want a thicker line than they are getting with a 10rl, instead of just going up to a 12rl, they should try a 14rl. Or they could sculpt the lines.
 

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Yeah,weren't they asking about 10rl vs 12rl? I just said, in my humble, nooblike opinion, that if they want a thicker line than they are getting with a 10rl, instead of just going up to a 12rl, they should try a 14rl. Or they could sculpt the lines.
yeah, they were asking about the pin size. The individual needles in a grouping are the pins, and are represented by the first pair of numbers in the needle size.

#0907RL = 9g pins in a 7RL configuration (bugpins). I can't compare size because I've never uses them to know for sure.
#1007RL = 10g pins in a 7RL configuration. Bigger line than #0907 (because the needles are bigger). Similar to a #1205RL when comparing within the same brand. Some brands sell ALL of their liners as 10g pins but make the grouping a little looser (it has some advantages).
#1207RL = 12g pins in a 7RL configuration. Standard and the one we default to when saying 7RL
#1407RL = trim nails that I would only use for putting a nice border around your window (I joke). Seriously though, I had to go look to see if it was even a thing when you said it earlier. None of the reputable brands make them.

Where it will really get confusing is when you start talking about Tight/extra tight/hollow/'traditional' on top of the size. We won't start down that rabbit hole.
 

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yeah, they were asking about the pin size. The individual needles in a grouping are the pins, and are represented by the first pair of numbers in the needle size.

#0907RL = 9g pins in a 7RL configuration (bugpins). I can't compare size because I've never uses them to know for sure.
#1007RL = 10g pins in a 7RL configuration. Bigger line than #0907 (because the needles are bigger). Similar to a #1205RL when comparing within the same brand. Some brands sell ALL of their liners as 10g pins but make the grouping a little looser (it has some advantages).
#1207RL = 12g pins in a 7RL configuration. Standard and the one we default to when saying 7RL
#1407RL = trim nails that I would only use for putting a nice border around your window (I joke). Seriously though, I had to go look to see if it was even a thing when you said it earlier. None of the reputable brands make them.

Where it will really get confusing is when you start talking about Tight/extra tight/hollow/'traditional' on top of the size. We won't start down that rabbit hole.
Oh God sorry. I just reread the original question. ??‍♀️
 

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I think Andy and Allen gave the right answer...
Depends, for example a #1007 rl will give a similar thickness to a #1205 rl, a #1207 rl will give a thicker line than a #1007 rl
yeah, they were asking about the pin size. The individual needles in a grouping are the pins, and are represented by the first pair of numbers in the needle size.

#0907RL = 9g pins in a 7RL configuration (bugpins). I can't compare size because I've never uses them to know for sure.
#1007RL = 10g pins in a 7RL configuration. Bigger line than #0907 (because the needles are bigger). Similar to a #1205RL when comparing within the same brand. Some brands sell ALL of their liners as 10g pins but make the grouping a little looser (it has some advantages).
#1207RL = 12g pins in a 7RL configuration. Standard and the one we default to when saying 7RL
#1407RL = trim nails that I would only use for putting a nice border around your window (I joke). Seriously though, I had to go look to see if it was even a thing when you said it earlier. None of the reputable brands make them.

Where it will really get confusing is when you start talking about Tight/extra tight/hollow/'traditional' on top of the size. We won't start down that rabbit hole.

Only thing missing would be the trauma with #1007LT could be high than with a #1205MT but long tapers usually cause less trauma entering the skin, so it's kind of the same.
On the other hand the saturation with the #1007LT will be better exactly for the same two extra needles and the fact that they are closer together.
 

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For super thick outlines like in anime designs I use 18RL or power liners.
 
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Try building up and sculpting your lines instead of shooting for one single pass that will hopefully remain thick as well as smooth along the edges. I use a 5RL but not super tight and make my initial pass. I'll then come back with a second pass going in small oval shaped circles filling the line in to add to the width. Then with a 3RL or you could stay with the 5 you'll want to sharpen up your edges by going in small but steady strokes. Drawing with a ball point pen or Black colored pencil is a great way to get the feel of it as well. Practice will make perfect. You'll want your liner to be running all in consistently and tuned to within absolute closeness to perfection.
 

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Like explained above... #10 is a smaller size needle than the #12. Just as a bundle of 10 pencils is thicker than 10 toothpicks. Bigger needles in the same grouping will therefor give a thicker line.

Appart from needle size or grouping keep in mind your machine plays a role too... You need one that can comfortably get those needles in the skin. Especially when you start going with the "flat" liners (think you mean straight liners) since the flat configuration generates more resistance than regular pointy liners.

I've also seen people pre-line with a small needle to make the skin easier to penetrate and then redo all lines with a large shader or straight liner. But that might just be an old school thing which isn't relevant anymore due to better needles... Don't know...
 

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